It is no mystery as to why president Teddy Roosevelt's son was known as Teddy Roosevelt jr, and president Teddy Roosevelt's grandson, (also named Teddy) was also known as junior.
It is because the Roosevelts are not parvenue posers who affect the name suffix to appear higher than the station.
If you ever meet an 80 year old man named Thurston Howell III, you will be immediately clued in that Thurston is a pavenue poser. (Unless 80-year-old Thurston's grandfather is still alive)
Grandpa, dad, and you, all have the same given name. Grandpa is John Doe Sr, (only posers would name themselves John Doe the first), dad is John Doe jr, (only parvenues would label themselves John Doe II), and you are John Doe III.
When Grandpa dies, dad is no longer John Doe jr. When John Doe Sr dies, his son John Doe Jr drops the Junior and becomes the new John Doe Sr. When Grandpa died, and dad became John Doe Sr., you stoped being John Doe iii, and became (the new) John Doe Jr.
So the three generations of Fathers and sons being named Teddy Roosevelt all moved up one when president Roosevelt died.
Oh it doesn't work that way with kings and queens you say?
Queen Elizabeth II isn't the Junior Queen. She is not the daughter of Queen Elizabeth the first. She is the second person named Elizabeth to hold the monarchy as Queen.
The current King of England is known as Charles III. He is not a grandson of king Charles the first, and the son of King Charles Jr. He is the third person to hold the monarchy that is named Charles. The number after a monarchcs name indicates how many people of that name have "held the of" of the monarchy. The number is not part of a king's name, it indicates how ma ny kings have held the name Charles.
We know that it means the second queen named Elizabeth or third Charles to be king because there never can be a King Jr. Because daddy King has got to die before Sonny King becomes king, an d the junior gets dropped when daddy king dies.
This is interesting -- I didn't know this! Though, FWIW, Teddy Roosevelt (president) died in 1919, but in 1924, the NY Times is still calling his son "Teddy Roosevelt, Jr.", probably because dropping the "Jr." would have felt like a truth-in-advertising violation.
Jeff, big fan, but you gotta work on your geography, my dude. Toppenish is nowhere near Seattle. My wife is from Yakima and those people do not associate with people on the other side of the mountains.
It is no mystery as to why president Teddy Roosevelt's son was known as Teddy Roosevelt jr, and president Teddy Roosevelt's grandson, (also named Teddy) was also known as junior.
It is because the Roosevelts are not parvenue posers who affect the name suffix to appear higher than the station.
If you ever meet an 80 year old man named Thurston Howell III, you will be immediately clued in that Thurston is a pavenue poser. (Unless 80-year-old Thurston's grandfather is still alive)
Grandpa, dad, and you, all have the same given name. Grandpa is John Doe Sr, (only posers would name themselves John Doe the first), dad is John Doe jr, (only parvenues would label themselves John Doe II), and you are John Doe III.
When Grandpa dies, dad is no longer John Doe jr. When John Doe Sr dies, his son John Doe Jr drops the Junior and becomes the new John Doe Sr. When Grandpa died, and dad became John Doe Sr., you stoped being John Doe iii, and became (the new) John Doe Jr.
So the three generations of Fathers and sons being named Teddy Roosevelt all moved up one when president Roosevelt died.
Oh it doesn't work that way with kings and queens you say?
Queen Elizabeth II isn't the Junior Queen. She is not the daughter of Queen Elizabeth the first. She is the second person named Elizabeth to hold the monarchy as Queen.
The current King of England is known as Charles III. He is not a grandson of king Charles the first, and the son of King Charles Jr. He is the third person to hold the monarchy that is named Charles. The number after a monarchcs name indicates how many people of that name have "held the of" of the monarchy. The number is not part of a king's name, it indicates how ma ny kings have held the name Charles.
We know that it means the second queen named Elizabeth or third Charles to be king because there never can be a King Jr. Because daddy King has got to die before Sonny King becomes king, an d the junior gets dropped when daddy king dies.
This is interesting -- I didn't know this! Though, FWIW, Teddy Roosevelt (president) died in 1919, but in 1924, the NY Times is still calling his son "Teddy Roosevelt, Jr.", probably because dropping the "Jr." would have felt like a truth-in-advertising violation.
Jeff, big fan, but you gotta work on your geography, my dude. Toppenish is nowhere near Seattle. My wife is from Yakima and those people do not associate with people on the other side of the mountains.
Could one call the photos Bob Woodward was suspended for "Richard pics"?
I thought one of his sons died in WW2 of a heart attack?
And he was heroic on D-Day?
TC: Yes, families do that too. In the Kennedy line there is a Joe Kennedy II
because he was named after his grandfather and was the second person to have that name.....
I do wonder how this affects legal papers and ID. Can you just change things on your own?